Rosey's Outlook


by J.D. Rosendahl

Thursday, June 9, 2011

Critical Mass Update: US Home Prices Could Still Fall a Lot More: Shiller

Real estate still reflects nothing in bullish feel or fundamentals, not even a dead cat bounce of late:    US Home Prices Could Still Fall a Lot More: Shiller

Recent housing and employment data suggests the economy is at a tipping point, while home prices could have much further to fall, veteran economist Robert Shiller said Thursday.

"My gut feeling is we might see a continuation of the decline (in home prices)," Shiller said.

He added that a 10 to 25 percent slump in real home prices "wouldn't surprise me at all," though he cautioned that was not a forecast.

Speaking at the Standard & Poor's housing summit, Shiller said recent data showing U.S. home prices fell into a double dip in March could prove to be either a seasonal effect over the winter months or part of a downward trend.

Another uptick in the unemployment rate might also start to point to a double-dip recession, he said.

Shiller is the co-founder of the S&P/Case-Shiller home price index and is known for warning about bubbles in the stock market and housing market.

Did he use the phrase tipping point?  A tipping point in the economy could very easily lead us to Critical Mass and a waterfall event in real estate values.  The underlying support in real estate is so thin right now it wouldn't take much economic damage on the macro level!

I love the work Schiller does, but some of his quotes made me giggle.  His gut tells him prices could continue lower.  He added it could be another 10-25% to the downside.  But then stated that's not a forecast. 

Nobody likes to come out and say it, "real estate is going down!" 

I still think we have lower to go in values and that is a forecast.  At best, we might get a summer time dead cat bounce, but I ask, "What has really changed in this economy on Main Street?"  Not much is the simple answer.

Is real estate in many markets still over valued?  Yes.  Is the supply/demand equation bearish?  Yes.  Financially distressed real estate?  Yes.  Will more prudent lending standards including a 20% down payment decrease demand?  Yes.  Will municipal budget deficit resolution hurt real estate values?  Yes.  Will higher taxes some day make real estate less affordable?  Yes.

I keeping reading people writing articles or blogs: Is now the time to buy real estate?

While I can make a case for some of the hardest hit areas in this country that their real estate is fundamentally cheap, I wouldn't make that case nationally.

But more important is the question of what is so bullish for real estate?  The only answer I can come up with is maybe we get a slide in values of 10-25% or more, and cheaper real estate brings a bullish feel back to the market.  It's the only thing other than more government intervention.

If prices did slide another 10-15% nationally, I would also say we are at or past Critical Mass.  Then it's really a question of the psychological back drop.  Will we see larger numbers of people sell and capitulation providing a water fall event?

The conditions are ripe and moving towards Critical Mass, and this could happen in the next 12-18 months!

Hope all is well.

J.D. Rosendahl, Rosey